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Old 09-18-2019, 11:44 PM

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Just a personal stance.

I would never once more fly Boeing 737 max, no thing the corporeality of toilet newspaper they call certification. Actually, given the manner they did 'cert' their planes, I'thou not going to fly whatever Boeing anymore. Airbus, Embraer - aye. Boeing - no. In my view they lost whatsoever credibility.

And then here is the poll - would y'all wing Boeing 737 max?

Old 09-19-2019, 01:38 AM

StealthRabbit

Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand

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Have flown many MAX, volition continue every bit soon equally they are available again. (And would today with the correctly experienced crew)

But... no I don't trust Boeing, (Bozos) FAA blew it likewise,

I trust 'theory pilots' far less.

Competent pilots (who can actual Wing airplanes) have my conviction.

Stuff happens when using circuitous mechanical contraptions.

Next crash might exist a Max, (likely not).

Interesting, and beauteous UA and SWA program to accommodate people who don't want to fly a MAX.

I just want to GO, I fee the MAX is under extreme scrutiny and may be ane of the safest commercial birds once re-certified. I don't think it was a adept Thought for Boeing to make the MAX (a hack), merely I won't feel 'less safe' (unsafe) (with the correct coiffure). Asia flights on econo carrier using MAX I will make sure I have extra life insurance. (You can BET they will not exist allowing passengers to 'back-out' of a MAX assigned aircraft). Seems reasonable to expect to employ any certified shipping.

I carry a grease gun when I fly Md-80
Bear a Class D (LI-ion) Burn extinguisher when flight 787.
Bring Hydraulic oil when on a DC10

737 MAX
1) Check the credentials of Captain (Couple hundred hours in 737 is not enough for First Officer)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...aa/1641781001/
In the U.S., one,500 hours. Overseas, 240 hours
In the U.Southward., copilots must have a minimum of 1,500 flying hours, the same every bit pilots, before they can take the right seat in a commercial airliner. Internationally, it's only 240 hours and can include a mix of time in simulators.

While the preliminary accident report in the Ethiopian crash showed the 29-year-old airplane pilot had 8,122 hours of flying time, the 25-yr-one-time first officer had just 361 total hours, having received his commercial airline license three months earlier.


ii) Ask if they know how and WILL turn off the MCAS if needed.
three) If both pilots are under age thirty... round up a 'jump seat pilot' who is 'seasoned'.
https://world wide web.theatlantic.com/notes/20...37-max/585301/


Concluding edited past StealthRabbit; 09-19-2019 at 01:56 AM..

Old 09-19-2019, 06:26 AM

markjames68

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Yes, it volition likely be the safest plane flying after all the recertification is done. My proviso is that I'll happily wing it with US crews on a United states of america domestic airline.

Old 09-19-2019, 07:45 AM

2x3x29x41

Location: North America

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Yeah.

Why?

Because I can do bones math.

In that location have been over 6 hundred thousand commercial flights of the 737 MAX. There have been ii fatal crashes. Expect, I wouldn't hesitate to continue a k-mile road trip in an SUV or a car. And motor vehicles accept far, far higher per-mile fatality rates than practise any commercial airliner. So why would I hesitate to have a 1000-mile flying on a 737 MAX?

My actions aren't dictated by the infotainment-pretending-to-be-news stridently blaring out of the goggle box.

Old 09-19-2019, 08:38 AM

Des-Lab

Location: Business ethics is an oxymoron.

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Originally Posted by 2x3x29x41 View Post

Yeah.

In that location have been over six hundred g commercial flights of the 737 MAX. At that place have been two fatal crashes. Expect, I wouldn't hesitate to keep a 1000-mile road trip in an SUV or a automobile. And motor vehicles accept far, far higher per-mile fatality rates than practise whatever commercial airliner. So why would I hesitate to accept a grand-mile flight on a 737 MAX?

My actions aren't dictated by the infotainment-pretending-to-exist-news stridently clarion out of the television receiver.

Fair plenty, but this is a perception vs reality thing, which as often every bit not, is not fair, rational, or even logical. Just information technology matters. A lot. Information technology's arguably more of an emotional argument than a factual i. And yous ought to know equally well every bit anyone that arguing facts vs feelings is an utter waste of fourth dimension and lost crusade. You aren't going to change that persons mind ever. No matter how many facts, comparisons, statistics, or anecdotes y'all wave in their face.

Let information technology go.

Merely like the whole guns thing. Booze is a direct or contributing factor in what? A hundred times more deaths than firearms. Yet y'all don't hear people jonesing nigh banning alcohol. Some tragedies are, I suppose, "adequate" (for lack of a better give-and-take) than others.

Old 09-19-2019, 10:17 AM

Vf6cruiser

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90% of the population walks down a jetway and gets on an aluminum tube which they are largely clueless almost......the wonks on this board are presumably more interested. A couple years from at present the public won't even recollect this.....and the MAX fits in a lot of airline plans.

Old 09-nineteen-2019, x:52 AM

jertheber

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I'd think the MAX may somewhen be re-certed to operate without any restrictions, and yeah, the MAX has already had many flights without any alarming incidents--but--that won't exist enough to convince the public of Boeing's ability to engineer a great plane right out of the gate. I believe Boeing is technically capable of edifice the best, but I know that they don't always alive upwards to their full capabilities. And then no, I won't fly on the MAX, until it has been subjected to the best efforts of Boeing engineering.

An initial poor design, that's what will remain as the collective retentiveness of that aircraft. And, the flying public shouldn't have to guess whether a aeroplane is safe, when defective a full understanding of the complex technical details surrounding earlier catastrophic events. We all rely on the fact that engineers know how to design swell products, just the MAX was thoroughly scrutinized in the media, and the result was the revelation of management interference in engineering autonomy, the MAX blueprint was derived from elements of politics and profits, non good engineering. And that volition always be it'due south brand.

Old 09-19-2019, 12:17 PM

Larry Caldwell

Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon

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They will fix the blueprint/software flaw, and the plane will be safe again.

Old 09-19-2019, 12:54 PM

finalmove

Location: annandale, va & slidell, la

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Originally Posted by kanonka View Post

But a personal opinion.

I would never again fly Boeing 737 max, no matter the amount of toilet paper they phone call certification. Actually, given the way they did 'cert' their planes, I'm non going to fly any Boeing anymore. Airbus, Embraer - yeah. Boeing - no. In my view they lost whatsoever brownie.

So here is the poll - would you fly Boeing 737 max?

You are a layman.You are not qualified to make a rational judgment on the topic.

Yet you are all the same gratis to make poor choices.

I look forward to the resumption of their use in air travel.

Old 09-xix-2019, 03:37 PM

exm

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Yes. However I would definitely look for alternatives and that's more often than not because of the reduced seat/leg room on the MAX

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